1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 The following program deals with controversial subjects, and due to its explicit nature, parental guidance is strongly advised. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,000 The theories, opinions and beliefs expressed are not the only possible interpretations. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,000 The viewer is invited to make a judgment based on all available information. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Tonight on CITINGS, we rip the cover off America's epidemic of evil. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 I did not kill my girlfriend. My master's say did. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,000 From possessed killers to satanic rituals. 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Did you ever kill him? 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Yes, I had to kill a number of people. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Then our special ghost investigation uncovers a sinister poltergeist terrorizing a California family. 10 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:06,000 CITINGS 11 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Welcome to CITINGS. I'm Tim White. 12 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Most people agree that evil exists in this world for some it's war, famine or violence, for some it's a spiritual darkness. 13 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:24,000 And for others, evil is a very real presence, a physical entity of terrifying power. 14 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Tonight, CITINGS investigates what many people believe is an epidemic of organized evil, operating underground. 15 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:37,000 What is evil? Is it merely a dictionary definition, morally wrong or bad? 16 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Or is it something more, a deeper, darker force that makes people perform cruel and inhuman acts? 17 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Does an evil force really exist that can attract and then control the actions of human beings? 18 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Or is evil nothing more than a convenient excuse for deviant and destructive behavior? 19 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:02,000 These are questions without easy answers and are continually debated by those who study the human mind and the human spirit. 20 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Everywhere in the world we've seen cruelty and things that are vicious and things that are anti-human. 21 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:17,000 And that somehow, that's kind of the opposite of the affirmation of life. 22 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:30,000 The great mass of human misery is caused not by some evil force, but by the stupid beliefs and actions that we engage in. 23 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:37,000 A human being has power in this world to do what he or she wants. And if what you want to do is evil, you can do terrible things. 24 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,000 We have to decide to be good or evil. No one else makes that decision. 25 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:49,000 We're exposed to evil every day. Robbery, kidnapping, even murder have become tragically commonplace on the evening news. 26 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,000 We've become anesthetized to the evil around us and even embraced it in mass media. 27 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Friday the 13th is one of the most successful movie series in history. 28 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Help me! Help me! Let me go! Help me! 29 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:10,000 The evil Freddy Krueger has even become a folk hero. But then there is evil that will never be trivialized in media. 30 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Hitler, architect of Nazism and the mastermind of the Holocaust. 31 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Stalin, butcher of 40 million. 32 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Cult leader Jim Jones who led 900 into mass suicide. 33 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson. What drives people like these to the depths of evil? Many believe that they are vehicles for the devil. 34 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Today Satan is free to go and do within limits whatever he pleases. 35 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,000 I did not kill my girlfriend. My master Satan did. 36 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Satan, Lucifer, Beals Above. Whatever this force is called, it's been the inspiration for madmen whose victims pay the ultimate price. 37 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:59,000 At Harris County Jail in Houston, Texas, Sightings investigated the claims of one murderer who maintains that the devil made him do it. 38 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 The supreme evil spirit he calls Satan. 39 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:11,000 I didn't choose to kill my girlfriend. It was done by the influence of the demon. I believe that Satan wanted her to die. 40 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:22,000 April 20th, 1991. While Angela Singer, a known prostitute, was out working, David Trevillo, nicknamed Damian, was in this motel room conjuring up what he believed to be the devil. 41 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:31,000 I started uttering an incantation to Lucifer's future, Ruffa Kel. I felt him enter me. I went into the spirit world and brought it back out with me. 42 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:40,000 I started speaking in tongues I didn't understand. When my girlfriend came back, she got cold chills as soon as she walked in the door. 43 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:50,000 David Trevillo stabbed Angela Singer 39 times and insists that demonic supernatural forces would work. But is that a defense anyone is willing to accept? 44 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Clinical psychologist Ralph Underwager believes there is nothing paranormal about Trevillo's heinous acts. 45 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:17,000 No, I would never deny that Satan exists. What I would deny most vehemently is that he has any power whatsoever to control or to direct or to possess human beings. 46 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Don't blame me, the devil made me do it. And that is pure, plain, unadulterated balderdash. 47 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Yet law enforcement agencies nationwide, from the largest metropolitan areas to the smallest precincts, report that they are encountering what may be an epidemic of evil. 48 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,000 For many of them, the concept of Satan is very real. 49 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:48,000 It's like you or I would believe in God, they believe in Satan. And some officers don't believe it. It's just ghost stories to them. 50 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:57,000 I myself, I've personally seen cases. It's not only a local problem for a small department such as mine, it's a national problem. 51 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:11,000 David Trevillo may not be the boy next door, but is he the servant of a greater evil he calls Satan? Whatever the cause for his actions, he is now a convicted murderer sentenced to 40 years to life. 52 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:17,000 It's not the fault of illness, it's not the fault of Satan, it's the fault of the human heart. 53 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:24,000 As horrible as Trevillo's crimes may be, there are people who believe there is another, even more sinister kind of evil. 54 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Groups of people who gather for the purpose of performing brutal, sadistic rituals in the name of the devil. 55 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Despite the testimonies of victims, many people still don't believe devil worship takes place. 56 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Instead of listening to the victims, they want proof of Satanic sightings. 57 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 What's your situation? 58 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,000 My father was high priest of a cult. 59 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:54,000 My arms were tied above my head and I was hung from a pole and swung out over a pit and in the pit were bones and snakes. 60 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 I was punished with a knife. 61 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000 What do you mean punished with a knife? 62 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,000 I had to cut my own hand as a punishment. I have a scar on it. 63 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Syndicated Radio Tonkshow host Bob Larson is heard daily on over 250 stations. 64 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,000 He reaches out to survivors who believe that they've been the victims of violent Satanic rituals. 65 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Rituals that are so brutal and bizarre, they border on unbelievable. 66 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Let me tell you, I have been there and worked with, for hours and hours, with hundreds of victims who have been through this. 67 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,000 They're not all liars. They're not all making it up. They're not all crazy. They're not all psychotic. 68 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Something's going on here. 69 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Husband and wife counseling team Dr. Walter and Linda Young are the leading pioneers in treating victims of ritual abuse. 70 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Linda and I work in this field together and obviously we have to deal with what it's like day in and day out to work with people who've been traumatized to this extent. 71 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:58,000 And I would have to say that when we're talking about issues of ritual abuse, where patients are talking about murder, 72 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,000 or they're talking about sacrifice or their own rapes and things of this sort, 73 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:08,000 it really takes its toll because of the sense of the unbelievable ability of how they survived it. 74 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:17,000 I've heard of babies being killed, people delivering babies prematurely, or full term babies that have been sacrificed. 75 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:25,000 And satanic rituals where people are married to Satan and impregnated by someone or a group of people. 76 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Again, no one wants to hear that. It's too horrific for the population. 77 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Barbara Jackson is a scientist with a PhD in biochemistry and a former instructor at Harvard Medical School. 78 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000 She claims to be a survivor of satanic ritual abuse. 79 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,000 For Barbara, memories of childhood torture didn't surface until she was an adult. 80 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Her stories of abuse follow a pattern exactly like those of other survivors Barbara has never met. 81 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Coming forward has taken immense personal courage. 82 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 On a night when there was going to be a ritual, what would happen? 83 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,000 People would start arriving and they would have robes. 84 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:07,000 And I would just be brought into the basement and the basement is divided into two halves. 85 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:15,000 One half is open. That's often where the table that the child or the animal would be put on to be hurt. 86 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:21,000 I remember one time being put on this table that they were using and they would hurt me with a metal crucifix. 87 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 What is evil for you? 88 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Evil feels to me like a force. 89 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Barbara, many people who might be very sympathetic with you would simply not believe you. 90 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 How could anything this horrendous occur? 91 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,000 We already know that things this horrendous have occurred routinely throughout the world. 92 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Claims of being raped by crucifixes or being crucified oneself are hogwash. 93 00:09:51,000 --> 00:10:01,000 The best bet for any reasonable person is to see this as a preferred fantasy of a twisted imagination. 94 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:07,000 As you might imagine, many of the people I interviewed were extremely reluctant to come forward. 95 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:14,000 And those victims remain afraid of retaliation by their abusers and ridiculed by a skeptical public. 96 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:20,000 But despite their fears, they have spoken out in the hope that they may help others avoid the same fate. 97 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Coming up, the victims of satanic rituals reveal their horrifying tales when our special investigation continues. 98 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Did you ever kill them? 99 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Yes, I had to kill a number of people. 100 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:40,000 As we hear these horrifying stories of ritualistic abuse, it's impossible not to wonder how such inhuman behavior could go undetected. 101 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,000 The stories that survivors tell are so horrible they seem almost unbelievable. 102 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:50,000 And in fact, there are experts who question whether the evil of satanic cults is fact or fantasy. 103 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 In truth, real physical evidence is lacking. 104 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,000 But how or why would anyone invent such disturbing stories? 105 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:08,000 The current furor over satanic cults is foolish for a very simple reason. 106 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:16,000 There is no corroborating evidence of any sort that has ever been found. 107 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Connie Valentine is a survivor who holds a master's degree in rehabilitative counseling. 108 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:29,000 She works with other survivors who remember the same types of ritual abuse Connie believes she herself has endured. 109 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Why are you telling this story? 110 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,000 It needs to be stopped. Somebody needs to say it. 111 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:41,000 I figure the worst they can do is kill me. They've certainly tortured me an awful lot and dying doesn't frighten me anymore. 112 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Did you ever kill? 113 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Yes, I had to kill a number of people when I was young. 114 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000 How did you do that? 115 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:58,000 I had to put knives in their stomach. Many times they would put their hand around my hand and they would put the knife in and let me know that this was my fault. 116 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Was someone or something always killed? 117 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Almost always. 118 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,000 What is evil to you? 119 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,000 I always used to think that Satan was a figment of somebody's imagination. 120 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:20,000 The more survivors I talked to, the more people are reporting they witnessed that entity in their memory. 121 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 An evil entity, an evil force. 122 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Survivors believe they've experienced that force first hand, but while there is a frightening similarity to stories from people who've never met, 123 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,000 an argument can be made for the persuasive power of suggestion. 124 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Is Satanic ritual abuse real or is it false memory produced by therapists? 125 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:53,000 To have recovered repressed memories, to have flashbacks, to events that they never knew about before and had no memories of before, that I say yes. 126 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Indubitably is a false memory and that those events never occurred. 127 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:14,000 I think we're training more and more therapists to know how to treat these people and I think more and more people really are willing to take that challenge to go back in time and feel the pain. 128 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Do you feel your life was ruined by this? 129 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:32,000 No, I feel my life path was permanently altered, but it's possible to live through it, transcend it, live with the after effects and interact very richly with life, to reconnect with people, with spirituality, 130 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,000 with all the things that have meaning because they can't take that away. 131 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Joining me now is Gretchen Passantino, who has been researching the occult and Satanic ritual abuse for more than 20 years. 132 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:52,000 An author and lecturer, Ms. Passantino heads an educational organization whose purpose is to debunk the notion that Satanism is an organized force. 133 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Gretchen, welcome to Sightings. 134 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Thank you very much, Tim. 135 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:02,000 As you know, I had an opportunity to speak with people who believed themselves to be survivors of ritual abuse. 136 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Their stories were compelling. They certainly believed what they had been through, but you're not convinced. Why? 137 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Well, Tim, I'm very glad that you brought out that these adult survivors believe what they're saying, but I believe that a much more reasonable explanation that fits the evidence better is that they have been given the wrong tools for knowing the truth 138 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:30,000 and knowing the past through directive contaminated therapy that tells them that images in their minds are actually memories of things that have actually happened to them. 139 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,000 So you think it's all power of suggestion then on behalf of the therapists who are trying to help them? 140 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:43,000 I think it's more complex than simply power of suggestion. They come up with things that they are told are repressed memories and yet they actually are not. 141 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,000 What would be convincing evidence? 142 00:14:45,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Well, I think you would have to take it on a case-by-case basis. I'm not saying that there are not evil people who sometimes do very evil atrocities to other people, but what I'm saying is unsubstantiated, directive, contaminated, therapeutic testimony is not the best way to find reality. 143 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 What if they're right, Gretchen, and you're wrong? 144 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:18,000 If the sensationalism of the satanic ritual abuse scare is true, then logic doesn't matter, evidence doesn't matter, investigation doesn't matter, the psychotherapists have become the priests, the new religion. 145 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,000 I'm not willing to accept that. I don't think it's reasonable. 146 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Gretchen, thank you very much. 147 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Thank you. 148 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,000 And we will be back with more sightings in just a moment. 149 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Coming up next, our special ghost investigation uncovers a sinister poltergeist terrorizing a California family. 150 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,000 I'm not sure I would want to stay here. 151 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:45,000 In episode of sightings, we introduced you to the Mock family, who had contacted us about a ghost haunting their home in Garden Grove, California. 152 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,000 We asked professional ghost hunter Lloyd Auerbach to conduct an investigation for us. 153 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:54,000 And tonight, we follow Lloyd into the Mock home to watch the process step by step. 154 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:04,000 In this quiet, comfortable summer of Los Angeles, Anita Mock, her daughter and her cousin have all reported encounters with two distinct entities in their home. 155 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,000 One, a ghostly apparition dressed in white with beady glowing eyes. 156 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,000 The other, a mischievous poltergeist in the back bedroom. 157 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,000 My little girl's hysterical and I can't do anything. 158 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,000 I feel so weak, so helpless, and I don't know what to do. 159 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,000 After my initial visit, Lloyd Auerbach brought his team into the Mock home. 160 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,000 While he took magnetic field readings, therapist Karen Hussing tested the family. 161 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,000 We literally have things happening that don't always mesh together. 162 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:44,000 Normally when you see an apparition in a case, you don't normally also have physical object movements. 163 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:51,000 So this is kind of a mixed-bag case that we'll have to take a little closer look at through process of interviewing and checking out the house itself. 164 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Where was it when you heard the sound? Was it flipped over like that? 165 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 It was flipped like this. 166 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Okay, so it really wasn't easy to get at anyway. 167 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,000 No, uh-huh. 168 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:07,000 I'm getting an anomaly and we are correlating these anomalies to the spots that people are sensing or seeing, 169 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,000 apparition or haunting phenomena, hearing things. 170 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000 What could the family be experiencing? 171 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:20,000 We found that the house did have a history of domestic violence and untimely death prior to the time the Mocks moved in. 172 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Before turning their case over to sightings, Anita had asked a priest to bless the home, but the entity remained. 173 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:36,000 He blessed the house, he went around here really quick, and when he was done all he told me was that I need to go back to church. 174 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:42,000 In addition to Auerbach's team, we asked psychic Sylvia Brown to record her impressions of the house. 175 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Sylvia had strong unsettling feelings. 176 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000 See, this room also has Anita's some activity. 177 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:59,000 When I first came into the house, I felt this tremendous amount of violence, physical violence, glass cracking, noise, 178 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:05,000 and there's a murder, a killing, blood, somebody's face slashed. 179 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:11,000 We have a case here of layer upon layer of poltergeist haunting. 180 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 I'm not sure I would want to stay here. 181 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,000 But there are people living here and they don't want to be forced out. 182 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:22,000 In addition to the poltergeist activity, they're still plagued by encounters with the apparition in white. 183 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,000 It was wearing white and it was peeking around the door and it had like its hands on the door. 184 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:33,000 She grabbed my daughter because she was afraid to look up at her, she was afraid, because it looked solid. 185 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,000 She was afraid it was going to come out and get her. 186 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,000 This is the very spot where Heather said she saw the ghost. 187 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:43,000 So normally what this house is reading is one milligouse normally. 188 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:53,000 But this is going up as high as two and a half milligouse and three and that's double or almost triple what you're experiencing the rest of the house. 189 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,000 White magnetometer measures the level of electromagnetic energy in milligouse. 190 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:08,000 Do the unusually high magnetometer readings he's getting here explain why apparitions, poltergeist, slamming doors and spinning clocks have all been reported in the house? 191 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Or does an answer lie in the minds of the family? 192 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:17,000 In a state of deep relaxation, Heather Wyeda recalls the apparition under hypnosis. 193 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:24,000 This entity that you have seen in the house would like to invite him to join you so that we can communicate. 194 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,000 I think he's here. 195 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Is there something that he wishes to communicate? 196 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,000 That he's not trying to hurt me or my family. 197 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Does he know how he died? 198 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,000 He said he doesn't like to talk about it. 199 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:44,000 Is there anything else that he did that he could tell us about? 200 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,000 He said he's sorry for hurting Amanda when you tried to pick her up. 201 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000 We just had a hypnosis session. I thought to come in here and check the reading which we were getting. 202 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000 And most of the house reads between one and one point five milligasse, which is what we're now reading here in this spot. 203 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,000 I mean before the hypnosis session, I was reading between two and two point five. 204 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:04,000 It may be a coincidence, but actually it's very interesting to me that we have resolved the situation. 205 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,000 The ghosts supposedly go on the way and there's no longer a high reading. 206 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Since our first report on the Garden Grove haunting, another viewer called the sightings hotline with an important new lead. 207 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:20,000 He told us that in 1987 his mother, Winnie Rawls, died traumatically in this house. 208 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:33,000 When I walked in here by myself before we began this filming and I was able to talk out loud to her, I felt a distinct presence. 209 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,000 I don't feel that anymore. 210 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,000 It's different now. Something is different. 211 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:59,000 I think that she might be free. I think that she needed to be told by me and my great fear coming to do this at all was that my mother somehow was trapped and couldn't get away and was unhappy. 212 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:14,000 And I thought, well, if I come and see and can talk to her privately, which I was able to do, maybe she would let go. 213 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Bill Rawls believed that the spirit of his mother was looking for a way out of this house, but the mocks believed they're being pursued by a male entity. 214 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Could these be the two distinct entities felt in the house? 215 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Definitely. There is a female spirit in...what should I say, residents here? 216 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Yes. Now there might be a man that might be sighted, but it's definitely a female personality. 217 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:46,000 I feel great for calling you guys because I didn't know who to call. I was really scared. I had no idea what was going on. And it just feels like home again. 218 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:54,000 If you've experienced what you believe to be a ghost or if you've had any type of paranormal encounter, our sightings investigative team wants to know about it. 219 00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:04,000 To report your sighting, call 1900-740-SIGHT. Each call 75 cents a minute, average call less two minutes, and you must be 18 years or older. 220 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:13,000 On the next sightings, many thought the English crop circles were a hoax, but startling new evidence may prove there's more here than meets the eye. 221 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,000 This intelligence is almost certain it's not human. 222 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,000 On the next sightings. 223 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000 On the next sightings.